2nd June 2020
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protests/riots: why they've become violent
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2nd June 2020, 01:16 AM
Hi so the next few discussions I'm gonna make are just clarifications because i know many of you are american so im gonna also use my platform on here to educate many of you because you all can make a difference just by sitting on the computer, and many of you are young so i dont expect you guys to go to the protests either so i'm gonna share a few links in another discussion that have come to my attention.
But right now my main focus today is to teach you all the reason behind the violence of these riots.
I'm also gonna LOCK the discussion because this isn't a debate, this is a post you can use to get educated. If you want to disagree with me you can dislike the post and message me on discord instead ([WDC] rhea#6097)
Anyways, you saw Ian's post. It's very onesided and I completely understand what he is trying to say from his perspective. But that's NOT what we need to hear right now. I'm going to break down HIS discussion on this discussion because it's a whole thing and I've seen a lot of people say "oh these people are so violent" well, that's the point. But nonetheless, thank you Ian for your input and I know your intentions are to help so thank you for reaching out.
- The pandemic didn't stop police brutality and systemic oppression/racism. I understand your concern for the virus spreading and a lot of lives being dangered because they're breaking quarantine; but people are doing the best they can by wearing masks. There are also many resources being given out to protestors to make sure they are prepared to protest during the pandemic. Also please let it sink in that people are willing to get infected by a virus in order to protect the black lives being oppressed. Let that sink in, that's how serious and horrible this issue has been and how tiring and aggravated people are of their government. That alone should send a message that not even a pandemic can stop the citizens from rioting against an oppressive government. And it's not like trump was doing a good job minimizing the impact of COVID, to begin with.
- Are the protestors the ones ravaging? recent footage and reports have confirmed that cops are the ones increasing the violence, starting the violence, and using violence against UNARMED protestors. I know it's not your fault that you think the protestors are the ones causing the violence because the MEDIA is forgetting a huge detail; these protestors are unarmed so why would they have wanted things to be violent? Maybe if the police didn't respond so violently these protests would have still been peaceful (and it's COMPLETELY OKAY that they aren't)
- There are photos and videos (which i am in no place to share) that show unarmed protestors getting tear-gassed, shot at, and more graphically speaking: blood all over their faces at the hands of cops. Keep in mind all of these protestors are unarmed and initially wanted a peaceful protest. You're saying that it's counterproductive for protestors to riot but how else are they supposed to respond when they are being pushed by the government and the military to act this way, and it's time to be realistic because there is no room for a peaceful protest anymore. The government and the police don't deserve a peaceful protest anymore. If you want to support the black lives matter movement you're gonna have to support the whole entire movement + their actions. People are tired.
- I sympathize for the small business owners, however, this isn't something new. There will be people who take advantage of every situation and looting, it's not something new in our history. By focusing on the looting you are taking away the attention from the bigger issue and minimizing the movement. I really sympathize for the small business owners and I hope for the best. But it isn't new. For example when the raptors won Toronto completely went crazy and started destroying so many things for the sake of... sports. People have hyped riots dedicated to sports before so how is this any different? Not to mention there are also many movements in our past that ended in riots and violence but without those riots, women and LGBTQ communities wouldn't have the rights they have today. Riots work. Our history proves it.
- Right now the issue is NOT the looters, and the media and government want you to focus on that but the main focus is the black lives matter movement. Right now the focus is the ongoing oppression and violence that black people have had to face SILENTLY throughout our history. Right now our focus is on the white supremacy and how the police AND the government is trying to protect that white supremacy in the use of violence. If you can't understand why these protestors are being violent, you are privileged enough to not have to go through the anger and the fear when faced with racism...every single day.
- If you are worried about the small businesses, open up donations to support the businesses getting destroyed and reach out to the families in your communities who have businesses right now. Businesses CAN be replaced, lives can't.
- I'm not saying that the riots aren't violent, because I know they are. What I'm saying is they are violent for a reason. There is a movement behind this and the violence is justified after the decades and years of violence black folk have had to face, the riots are NOWHERE COMPARED to the experiences black folk and people of colour have had to face since time.
- The point of this discussion is to have you all understand why these riots are violent, not to discredit the violence. When you say "violence is never the answer" you are genuinely being racist because violence seems to be the answer for every other thing the government has done, so finally when the minorities speak up it's all of a sudden not the answer??
TL;DR: no one said social change was going to be peaceful and easy.
- THANKFULLY? You do realize what 3rd degree murder is? It's UNINTENTIONAL MURDER. The murder of George Floyd was INTENTIONAL. THE MAN SAID HE COULDN'T BREATHE AND IT DIDN'T STOP ANY OF THE COPS FROM INTERFERING AT ALL.
- By saying we're thankful for the cop getting a sentence he did not deserve (cause he deserves first-degree), we are settling with the solution that was given by the very system that elected those evil cops, to begin with. Black folk need MORE than just cops getting "third-degree murder".
- Not to mention, there is a HUGE, HUGE problem in America with the incarceration of black folk. America has the highest rates of people in prison. There are currently black folk in prison with LONGER SENTENCES for SMALLER CRIMES than cops who've shot innocent black lives. Anyways, in short: the prison system in America (and other parts of the world) is modern slavery.
- also i forgot to mention earlier but this is WAYY bigger than George Floyd. This is for the victims (such as George Floyd) of the ruthless and systemic oppression from the government, our education systems, our healthcare, our businesses, etc.
- HOW CAN WE PUT FAITH IN A SYSTEM THAT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO PROTECT MINORITIES TO BEGIN WITH.
- How can we put faith in the government when their response to looters was "if the looting starts the shooting starts." do you know how frightful and intimidating that is?
- How can you put faith into court hearings, and the justice system when they are blind to the police brutality and the unreasonable charges for black prisoners.
- Your president called the black lives matter protestors "thugs". I won't put faith into him or any system until it's changed and replaced with something better.
- You don't think people have tried peaceful protests? You don't think people have tried court hearings? It's been 29 years since this image and nothing still has changed:
So do you love black folk as much as you love fresh prince of belair?
Do you support the black lives matter movement as much as you support your black rappers
Do you support the black lives matter as much as you love black culture?
If you claim to support one thing, you support all of it. I know it's hard to accept the riots but please understand and reason with the violence because it's always going to be there.
and finally:
re: https://www.instagram.com/p/CA1Dc7lBnzH/?igshid=1lftqjfph8onv
PROTEST RESOURCES [PLEASE SHARE IF YOU KNOW ANYONE GOING TO THE PROTESTS]
https://protestinfo.carrd.co/
https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/how-to-protest-in-a-pandemic/
re: https://www.instagram.com/p/CA0jzCdg_vR/?igshid=snododkyjqb8
MORE RESOURCES HERE:
www.ally.wiki
REMEMBER, THE SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN. THE SYSTEM WAS JUST NEVER MADE TO PROTECT OPPRESSED GROUPS.
But right now my main focus today is to teach you all the reason behind the violence of these riots.
I'm also gonna LOCK the discussion because this isn't a debate, this is a post you can use to get educated. If you want to disagree with me you can dislike the post and message me on discord instead ([WDC] rhea#6097)
Anyways, you saw Ian's post. It's very onesided and I completely understand what he is trying to say from his perspective. But that's NOT what we need to hear right now. I'm going to break down HIS discussion on this discussion because it's a whole thing and I've seen a lot of people say "oh these people are so violent" well, that's the point. But nonetheless, thank you Ian for your input and I know your intentions are to help so thank you for reaching out.
Quote:
Ravaging your community, in the middle of a PANDEMIC, in the name of black lives matter, is counterproductive. Small business owners had no part in the murder of George Floyd.
- Are the protestors the ones ravaging? recent footage and reports have confirmed that cops are the ones increasing the violence, starting the violence, and using violence against UNARMED protestors. I know it's not your fault that you think the protestors are the ones causing the violence because the MEDIA is forgetting a huge detail; these protestors are unarmed so why would they have wanted things to be violent? Maybe if the police didn't respond so violently these protests would have still been peaceful (and it's COMPLETELY OKAY that they aren't)
- There are photos and videos (which i am in no place to share) that show unarmed protestors getting tear-gassed, shot at, and more graphically speaking: blood all over their faces at the hands of cops. Keep in mind all of these protestors are unarmed and initially wanted a peaceful protest. You're saying that it's counterproductive for protestors to riot but how else are they supposed to respond when they are being pushed by the government and the military to act this way, and it's time to be realistic because there is no room for a peaceful protest anymore. The government and the police don't deserve a peaceful protest anymore. If you want to support the black lives matter movement you're gonna have to support the whole entire movement + their actions. People are tired.
- I sympathize for the small business owners, however, this isn't something new. There will be people who take advantage of every situation and looting, it's not something new in our history. By focusing on the looting you are taking away the attention from the bigger issue and minimizing the movement. I really sympathize for the small business owners and I hope for the best. But it isn't new. For example when the raptors won Toronto completely went crazy and started destroying so many things for the sake of... sports. People have hyped riots dedicated to sports before so how is this any different? Not to mention there are also many movements in our past that ended in riots and violence but without those riots, women and LGBTQ communities wouldn't have the rights they have today. Riots work. Our history proves it.
- Right now the issue is NOT the looters, and the media and government want you to focus on that but the main focus is the black lives matter movement. Right now the focus is the ongoing oppression and violence that black people have had to face SILENTLY throughout our history. Right now our focus is on the white supremacy and how the police AND the government is trying to protect that white supremacy in the use of violence. If you can't understand why these protestors are being violent, you are privileged enough to not have to go through the anger and the fear when faced with racism...every single day.
- If you are worried about the small businesses, open up donations to support the businesses getting destroyed and reach out to the families in your communities who have businesses right now. Businesses CAN be replaced, lives can't.
- I'm not saying that the riots aren't violent, because I know they are. What I'm saying is they are violent for a reason. There is a movement behind this and the violence is justified after the decades and years of violence black folk have had to face, the riots are NOWHERE COMPARED to the experiences black folk and people of colour have had to face since time.
- The point of this discussion is to have you all understand why these riots are violent, not to discredit the violence. When you say "violence is never the answer" you are genuinely being racist because violence seems to be the answer for every other thing the government has done, so finally when the minorities speak up it's all of a sudden not the answer??
TL;DR: no one said social change was going to be peaceful and easy.
Quote:
Thankfully, the evil cops involved in the murder of George Floyd have been charged with 3rd-degree murder and manslaughter.
- By saying we're thankful for the cop getting a sentence he did not deserve (cause he deserves first-degree), we are settling with the solution that was given by the very system that elected those evil cops, to begin with. Black folk need MORE than just cops getting "third-degree murder".
- Not to mention, there is a HUGE, HUGE problem in America with the incarceration of black folk. America has the highest rates of people in prison. There are currently black folk in prison with LONGER SENTENCES for SMALLER CRIMES than cops who've shot innocent black lives. Anyways, in short: the prison system in America (and other parts of the world) is modern slavery.
- also i forgot to mention earlier but this is WAYY bigger than George Floyd. This is for the victims (such as George Floyd) of the ruthless and systemic oppression from the government, our education systems, our healthcare, our businesses, etc.
Quote:
There's always going to be bad cops, want to make a change? Request court hearings, protest peacefully, stand up to injustice when you see it.
- How can we put faith in the government when their response to looters was "if the looting starts the shooting starts." do you know how frightful and intimidating that is?
- How can you put faith into court hearings, and the justice system when they are blind to the police brutality and the unreasonable charges for black prisoners.
- Your president called the black lives matter protestors "thugs". I won't put faith into him or any system until it's changed and replaced with something better.
- You don't think people have tried peaceful protests? You don't think people have tried court hearings? It's been 29 years since this image and nothing still has changed:
So do you love black folk as much as you love fresh prince of belair?
Do you support the black lives matter movement as much as you support your black rappers
Do you support the black lives matter as much as you love black culture?
If you claim to support one thing, you support all of it. I know it's hard to accept the riots but please understand and reason with the violence because it's always going to be there.
and finally:
re: https://www.instagram.com/p/CA1Dc7lBnzH/?igshid=1lftqjfph8onv
PROTEST RESOURCES [PLEASE SHARE IF YOU KNOW ANYONE GOING TO THE PROTESTS]
https://protestinfo.carrd.co/
https://www.aclu.org/news/free-speech/how-to-protest-in-a-pandemic/
re: https://www.instagram.com/p/CA0jzCdg_vR/?igshid=snododkyjqb8
MORE RESOURCES HERE:
www.ally.wiki
REMEMBER, THE SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN. THE SYSTEM WAS JUST NEVER MADE TO PROTECT OPPRESSED GROUPS.
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2nd June 2020, 01:20 AM
Frick I forgot to put definitions so I'll put them here
White supremacy: the belief that white people are above all other races.
Systemic oppression: this is when oppression is basically caused by the institutions in our society (i.e hospitals, governments, police, businesses)
Anything with systemic before the word is basically directed to institutional problems.
White supremacy: the belief that white people are above all other races.
Systemic oppression: this is when oppression is basically caused by the institutions in our society (i.e hospitals, governments, police, businesses)
Anything with systemic before the word is basically directed to institutional problems.
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